How do YOU Play? What works or doesnt work for you.

[Alan Gruskoff]

Well here is a good point of discussion. Waddya say fellas and gals?

If you notice the Game Help which is online, I like to play a modest line bet, 2or 3x Odds, then put up the 3 middle Place numbers, then take those Place numbers down after 4-5 rolls.

I also like to play the Dark Side with 2 X Odds and little else.

How about you?

[riches2b]

The first thing I do when I get to a table is ask if the table is hot or not. I know it sounds silly but I have seen some hot tables, weighted dice perhaps, who knows why.

If it is hot, I go with the flow and am a right way better. Pass line bet with full odds if the point is one of the inside numbers. If the point is the 4 or 10 I do not put up odds. Place any of the 4 inside numbers that are not covered on the pass line bet.

If the table is normal (not hot), I stick to the dark side:
- On a choppy table I will make larger initial bets with no odds.
- On a cold table I will make a smaller initial bet and take full odds.
A don't pass bet at the start. Don't come bets until the 4 outside numbers are covered. Declining action on 6's or 8's by saying "no action" to the dealer (meaning, I want my don't come bet to stay in the don't come box and not be moved to the number)

This is my SYSTEM, don't tell the casinos.  


amendment:
A hot table does not stay hot very long. Then it is back to the dark side.  

[Alan Gruskoff]

Great Post riches2b!
A lesser man would charge for this advice...

[mmcginnis]

Thanks Rich!


So I'm wondering if you play the Come Line, Alan?

[Alan Gruskoff]

As regards my personal style, I guess I dont pay any attention to the Come bets. Not saying anything wrong with them or a bad bet, I just dont go there. They are good Odds, however.

Thanks Rich!

So I'm wondering if you play the Come Line, Alan?

[mmcginnis]

I was reading about that book you posted and it seems the way I was taught might not be the best way.

I learned to play the pass line and then feed the numbers through the Come line and take odds on that.

Thanks for the reply!

Mike

[mmcginnis]

I see what you mean. I am a total noob, so no doubt there. I've never played but with this game so I'm just now starting to understand playing the "right way". I really don't know anything about "wrong way" betting. I'll go back and check your previous post.

Thanks Riches!

[riches2b]

I learned to play the pass line and then feed the numbers through the Come line and take odds on that.

That is the way most new players are taught. It is the most straight forward technique that yields good results for the beginner to mid level player. However, it is not your best odds. The dark side is the best odds in the casino; except for the card counters at the blackjack tables. The dark side is not taught to newbies because it is intimidating and complex. The name alone "dark side or wrong way better" will scare most and that is what the casinos are counting on. There is a reason why the lettering for those bets are in black and harder to reach on the layout. It is not by chance. Black is less noticeable and meant to discourage. Red lettering draws the players eye to what the casino wants them to bet on.

[riches2b]

A lot of front line players bet the "Any Craps" as insurance for their pass line bet. Anyone do this and has it payed off for you?

BTW Alan. The "How do YOU Play? What works or doesn't work for you" topic is so broad. It may be a good category in it self.

[mmcginnis]

I've been doing it in the game. But usually only after the point has been made. Then it's just enough to cover the pass line. It comes up every once in a while and seems like buying insurance more than using it to make money.

[Alan Gruskoff]

Actually, this is a very much S.O.P. way to go. I just watched Barney Vinson's excellent DVD "Live in Las Vegas" and thats his whole method :: Pass Line w/odds, 2 Come Bets w/ Odds.  Fine on a modestly hot table, kills ya on a cold table. Trouble with Come Bets is that you dont get paid on the first hit. Say a shooter rolls an 8 and then another 8. The Come Bet only pays 3to2 on the second instance, while a Place bet at 7to6 pays on BOTH.

Then - I was hearing "dice setters" say they wait for 4-5 rolls (5 Count) before betting any real money to make sure a random shooter doesnt Seven Out quick. Interesting

I was reading about that book you posted and it seems the way I was taught might not be the best way.
I learned to play the pass line and then feed the numbers through the Come line and take odds on that.
Thanks for the reply!
Mike

[riches2b]

Trouble with Come Bets is that you dont get paid on the first hit. Say a shooter rolls an 8 and then another 8. The Come Bet only pays 3to2 on the second instance, while a Place bet at 7to6 pays on BOTH.

Excellent Alan! Than is why I place vs come. Yes, the pay out is less but you have more control to pick the good numbers (come up more). And there is a limited amount of time before the 7 comes.

[riches2b]

A lot of front line players bet the "Any Craps" as insurance for their pass line bet. Anyone do this and has it payed off for you?

      reply >    It's just enough to cover the pass line. It comes up every once in a while.

Has anyone tracked if this helps your rack?

I have heard it is a good thing to do for large bets, a little insurance never herts for that.  But odds wise, is it a good thing to do consistently (by the book)?

Or is this one of those statistical things, like the card counters at the blackjack tables are said to have an edge, yet every counter I talk to says it very seldom helps.

How about you Alan, is this one of your techniques?

[riches2b]

Then - I was hearing "dice setters" say they wait for 4-5 rolls (5 Count) before betting any real money to make sure a random shooter doesnt Seven Out quick. Interesting

Yes that is interesting. Does this mean dice setting really does work but only if the shooter is experienced at it?

If they wait till the 5 count to even start betting, it must think it works or it is a hot table  There are more short rolls than long ones, are there not? Why else would the dark side have better odds.

I have played at some tables where the dealers don't care, but others get upset if someone tries it.

So what is the skinny (did I date myself with that word?) on dice setting Alan?

[Alan Gruskoff]

Good question

On Dice setting. Most of the dealers and big shots smirk at "dice setters" as there are very few instances of it being effective. I am usually a patient person, but when the game is on, I am wanting to scream at the guys taking half an hour to set the dice, then they Seven Out.  In a tournament,  which is on a stop watch, you may NOT set the dice.

Then - I was hearing "dice setters" say they wait for 4-5 rolls (5 Count) before betting any real money to make sure a random shooter doesnt Seven Out quick. Interesting

Yes that is interesting. Does this mean dice setting really does work but only if the shooter is experienced at it?

If they wait till the 5 count to even start betting, it must work or it is a hot table  There are more short rolls than long ones, are there not? Why else would the dark side have better odds.

I have played at some tables where the dealers don't care, but others get upset if someone tries it.

So what is the skinny (did I date myself with that word?) on dice setting Alan?