the difference between having fun and making money

[riches2b]

switch to Don't Pass and try to build your bank roll back up

That should tell you something about the don't pass. Most players are rightway betters and treat the dark side as a tactic for when things go bad, as you are doing. Maybe because there is a stigma attached to it. Other players think you are betting against them and making them lose. Not true; the bets do not change the outcome.

Wrongway betters like me play the don't pass as the norm and only switch when a table is hot. But you are playing a game; it will always be more consistent than a real table. And sense the odds are worse for rightway betters the game will reflect that. As I said, if you bet consistently for any amount of time, you will lose.

There is a feature that I don't like to use when playing because I don't have it at a real table but it is good for the study of the game; the history of rolls. It can help you decide when to bet what. Example: if you have a lot of chips out there and it has been a wile sense the 7 has come up, you may want to take your bets down to not lose them; at a real table you can even turn them off (for some bets, others you can not). These type of maneuvers are what changes the odds and are the difference between learning the game and knowing how to play it. You have to be creative to win!

[mmcginnis]

There is a feature that I don't like to use when playing because I don't have it at a real table but it is good for the study of the game; the history of rolls.

I try not to look at this but every once in a while to see how I'm doing with memory. I use it to see how I'm doing. I've gotten much better at tracking in my head what's been rolled.

I know that mathematically the odds never change, but it seems like if a certain number is rolled a couple of times, then it'll come up more often than the other opposite number. Such as - If a 5 is rolled a few times, then the 9 won't be rolled as often. Or a 6 or a 10, then the numerical counterpart doesn't come up as much. I try to use this as a way to decide where to put place bets instead of just throwing all my money out on the 5, 6, 8, and 9. I can pick and choose.

Clear as mud? Maybe I'm an idiot. LOL.

[riches2b]

I know that mathematically the odds never change

Odds are based on continues consistent play. I truly believe that if you only bet at certain times, that effects the odds. I have not read anything to back this up as of yet because statititions do not take variables into consideration.

For example: it is said if the dark side better can make it past the come out roll, the odds are actually in his favor to win (one of the few times in any casino). But on a hot table, the dark side better will be wiped out real quick; this is not continues consistent NORMAL play.

Another example is the field, yes I said the field. I know there more ways to lose than win, but, what if you only bet it after 2 or 3 non-field rolls; that must do something to the odds especially if it has been a wile sense double pay out 2 or 12 have come up.

[riches2b]

but it seems like if a certain number is rolled a couple of times, then it'll come up more often than the other opposite number. Such as - If a 5 is rolled a few times, then the 9 won't be rolled as often. Or a 6 or a 10, then the numerical counterpart doesn't come up as much. I try to use this as a way to decide where to put place bets instead of just throwing all my money out on the 5, 6, 8, and 9. I can pick and choose

That is very interesting. Have not noticed that but will look for it.

If you are to the point where you are keeping track of number probabilities, you are more advanced than most, even some old time system players.

If you are doing everything right and still loosing, have you considered the dark side Luke Skywalker? 

As I have said, there is a difference between a game and a real table. So have you tried live play such as "vegas night" fund raisers or casinos and how do they compare to the game?

[mmcginnis]

Oh, I'm not adverse to playing the "wrong" way! I'm just learning and mostly looking for some sort of an idea as to when things seem to be going one way or the other. I do have a good idea as to when I should walk away from a real table.

I have not been to any "Casino Nights" or anything since I got the game. I really just bought it to learn before we go to Vegas, so I have no practical experience! LOL Everything I have noticed is from the game only!

Mike

[Alan Gruskoff]

Mike-
Walk away when you have a lot more than you started with. Get on with bragging and spending, not returning your winnngs.

One difference on a live table is that there are ALWAYS mistakes made by dealers. They have a tough job figuring out whose bets are whose and when they got there. That doesnt happen playing solo on MCG. So its your job to watch your own bets and speak up.

A Craps player has a clear and focused voice at the table to indicate their wishes.
-BA

Oh, I'm not adverse to playing the "wrong" way! I'm just learning and mostly looking for some sort of an idea as to when things seem to be going one way or the other. I do have a good idea as to when I should walk away from a real table.

I have not been to any "Casino Nights" or anything since I got the game. I really just bought it to learn before we go to Vegas, so I have no practical experience! LOL Everything I have noticed is from the game only!

Mike

[riches2b]

One difference on a live table is that there are ALWAYS mistakes made by dealers. They have a tough job figuring out whose bets are whose and when they got there. That doesnt happen playing solo on MCG. So its your job to watch your own bets and speak up.

This is true. One of the reasons for the eye in the sky is to settle disputes. Always question everything. If done politely, no good dealer will get upset. The bad ones with an attitude you report to the pit boss.

[riches2b]

I really just bought it to learn before we go to Vegas, so I have no practical experience!

The best play for me has been during the day when the minimums are half (they double at night) and the play is more consistent.

If you play at night, be ready for anything and have cash to spare. 

check out this post...
http://mycrapsgame.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.0

[riches2b]

I do have a good idea as to when I should walk away from a real table

Always watch and study a table first. If it does not feel right, do not put your money down. Very important to your play! If you feel uncomfortable, you will second guess yourself and lose.

Some casinos offer training sessions with the option of continuing with actual play after (not just for craps).

[mmcginnis]

I really just bought it to learn before we go to Vegas, so I have no practical experience!

The best play for me has been during the day when the minimums are half (they double at night) and the play is more consistent.

If you play at night, be ready for anything and have cash to spare. 

check out this post...
http://mycrapsgame.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.0

I just read this. Thanks!

I also really appreciate your and Alan's advice! I will be sure to watch and learn.

I also will play to a point where I'm ahead and say to myself, "It's time to walk." Then since there's no real money involved I'll continue to play. 9 out of 10 times I was right, I should have walked. It's very rare that I will have said that and then find that I would've made more if I had stayed. This really helps put things in perspective.

Thanks guys!!!

Mike

[riches2b]

So how did U do Mike